Whoops, missed a dunk. This important Report should have been posted on about July 10. These are the final 2009-10 Real Player Ratings (RPR) by team. Back in July this was mistakenly skipped. Only the overall League-Wide RPRs were shown where the players are ranked without regard to team. True, the RPRs were already shown by team individually (which must be why my brain forgot to post this). The problem is, the individual team postings have a lot more in them than just the RPRs by team. Between that and all the extra clicking and loading it would take, it would be a pain in the neck to compare teams' RPRs using those individual team postings compared with doing so using one Report. The bottom line is that this is one of the most important posts of the year and is certainly far better a little late than never. [Your Editor who missed a dunk due to being up all night trying to get George Karl fired]
NBA REAL PLAYER RATINGS BY TEAM
2009-10 REGULAR SEASON
POSITION CODES
PG Point Guard
SG Shooting Guard
SF Small Forward
PF Power Forward
C Center
SCALE FOR REGULAR SEASON REAL PLAYER RATINGS
Perfect Player for all Practical Purposes / Major Historic Super Star 1.100 and more
Historic Super Star 1.000 1.099
Super Star 0.900 0.999
A Star Player / A well above normal starter 0.820 0.899
Very Good Player / A solid starter 0.760 0.819
Major Role Player / Good enough to start 0.700 0.759
Good Role Player / Often a good 6th man, can possibly start 0.640 0.699
Satisfactory Role Player / Generally should not start 0.580 0.639
Marginal Role Player / Should not start except in an emergency 0.520 0.579
Poor Player / Should never start 0.460 0.519
Very Poor Player 0.400 0.459
Extremely Poor Player .399 and less
NBA REAL PLAYER RATINGS
2009-10 REGULAR SEASON
--Shows the real quality of players
--Includes all tracked actions and also includes untracked or hidden defending
--The average Real Player Rating for all players who play 300 minutes or more is about .700.
--All players who have played at least 300 minutes are included here
ATLANTA HAWKS
Josh Smith SF 1.033
Al Horford C 0.970
Joe Johnson SG 0.883
Mike Bibby PG 0.803
Jamal Crawford SG 0.721
Marvin Williams PF 0.716
Jeff Teague PG 0.544
Zaza Pachulia C 0.538
Maurice Evans SF 0.462
Joe Smith PF 0.453
BOSTON CELTICS
Rajon Rondo PG 1.084
Kevin Garnett PF 1.033
Paul Pierce SF 0.836
Kendrick Perkins C 0.807
Ray Allen SG 0.770
Rasheed Wallace PF 0.757
Shelden Williams PF 0.748
Nate Robinson PG 0.668
Tony Allen SG 0.663
Michael Finley SF 0.585
Marquis Daniels SG 0.543
Glen Davis PF 0.508
Brian Scalabrine C 0.329
CHARLOTTE BOBCATS
Gerald Wallace SF 0.918
Tyrus Thomas PF 0.870
Raymond Felton PG 0.857
Nazr Mohammed C 0.818
Stephen Jackson SF 0.754
Boris Diaw PF 0.746
D.J. Augustin PG 0.712
Tyson Chandler C 0.709
Stephen Graham SF 0.702
Ronald Murray SG 0.671
Gerald Henderson SG 0.664
Theo Ratliff C 0.650
Derrick Brown SF 0.575
CHICAGO BULLS
Joakim Noah C 0.955
Tyrus Thomas PF 0.904
Derrick Rose PG 0.903
Luol Deng SF 0.817
John Salmons SF 0.776
Taj Gibson PF 0.741
Brad Miller C 0.720
Kirk Hinrich PG 0.689
Jannero Pargo PG 0.577
Hakim Warrick PF 0.514
Ronald Murray SG 0.504
James Johnson PF 0.487
CLEVELAND CAVALIERS
LeBron James SF 1.382
Anderson Varejao C 0.933
Delonte West SG 0.856
Shaquille O'Neal C 0.842
Mo Williams PG 0.835
Antawn Jamison PF 0.819
Zydrunas Ilgauskas C 0.758
Jamario Moon SF 0.754
Daniel Gibson PG 0.660
J.J. Hickson PF 0.599
Anthony Parker SG 0.596
Jawad Williams SF 0.369
DALLAS MAVERICKS
Jason Kidd PG 1.092
Dirk Nowitzki PF 1.034
Brendan Haywood C 0.929
Erick Dampier C 0.826
Jason Terry SG 0.791
Shawn Marion SF 0.772
Caron Butler SF 0.715
Rodrigue Beaubois PG 0.707
Jose Juan Barea PG 0.694
Drew Gooden PF 0.674
Kris Humphries PF 0.642
Eduardo Najera PF 0.482
Josh Howard SF 0.460
Quinton Ross SF 0.406
DENVER NUGGETS
Chauncey Billups PG 0.883
Carmelo Anthony SF 0.874
Nene Hilario C 0.852
Chris Andersen PF 0.849
Ty Lawson PG 0.768
J.R. Smith SG 0.738
Kenyon Martin PF 0.709
Anthony Carter PG 0.686
Johan Petro C 0.635
Arron Afflalo SG 0.573
Joey Graham SF 0.473
Malik Allen PF 0.282
DETROIT PISTONS
Ben Wallace C 0.877
Rodney Stuckey PG 0.749
Tayshaun Prince SF 0.724
Jonas Jerebko SF 0.610
Richard Hamilton SG 0.592
Charlie Villanueva PF 0.582
Will Bynum PG 0.568
Jason Maxiell PF 0.532
Austin Daye SF 0.507
Ben Gordon SG 0.491
Chucky Atkins PG 0.477
Kwame Brown C 0.452
Chris Wilcox C 0.417
DaJuan Summers SF 0.266
GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS
Andris Biedrins C 0.825
Anthony Randolph PF 0.820
Stephen Curry PG 0.803
Ronny Turiaf C 0.774
C.J. Watson PG 0.746
Monta Ellis PG 0.711
Anthony Tolliver PF 0.709
Stephen Jackson SF 0.704
Corey Maggette SF 0.699
Reggie Williams SF 0.673
Anthony Morrow SG 0.661
Devean George SG 0.592
Chris Hunter PF 0.576
Mikki Moore C 0.561
Vladimir Radmanovic SF 0.494
HOUSTON ROCKETS
Kyle Lowry PG 0.835
Carl Landry PF 0.816
Luis Scola PF 0.816
Chuck Hayes PF 0.765
Aaron Brooks PG 0.747
Trevor Ariza SG 0.723
David Andersen C 0.715
Shane Battier SF 0.703
Jordan Hill PF 0.661
Chase Budinger SF 0.621
Kevin Martin SG 0.572
Jared Jeffries PF 0.462
Jermaine Taylor SG 0.428
INDIANA PACERS
Troy Murphy PF 0.934
Danny Granger SF 0.885
Roy Hibbert C 0.880
A.J. Price PG 0.868
Tyler Hansbrough PF 0.724
Earl Watson PG 0.701
T.J. Ford PG 0.700
Mike Dunleavy SF 0.686
Josh McRoberts PF 0.659
Luther Head PG 0.654
Brandon Rush SG 0.606
Dahntay Jones SG 0.542
Solomon Jones PF 0.493
LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS
Marcus Camby C 1.071
Baron Davis PG 0.899
Craig Smith PF 0.865
Chris Kaman C 0.783
Sebastian Telfair PG 0.717
Drew Gooden PF 0.678
Steve Blake PG 0.677
Travis Outlaw SF 0.668
Eric Gordon SG 0.550
Al Thornton SF 0.547
DeAndre Jordan C 0.512
Rasual Butler SG 0.509
Ricky Davis SF 0.437
Mardy Collins PG 0.436
Steve Novak SF 0.345
LOS ANGELES LAKERS
Pau Gasol PF 1.065
Kobe Bryant SG 1.005
Lamar Odom PF 0.982
Andrew Bynum C 0.936
Ron Artest SF 0.752
D.J. Mbenga C 0.725
Jordan Farmar PG 0.689
Shannon Brown PG 0.687
Derek Fisher PG 0.578
Sasha Vujacic SG 0.554
Josh Powell PF 0.386
MEMPHIS GRIZZLIES
Zach Randolph PF 0.885
Marc Gasol C 0.885
Mike Conley PG 0.702
Rudy Gay SF 0.675
O.J. Mayo SG 0.622
Jamaal Tinsley PG 0.613
Hasheem Thabeet C 0.605
Marcus Williams PG 0.583
Sam Young SF 0.508
Darrell Arthur PF 0.443
DeMarre Carroll SF 0.357
MIAMI HEAT
Dwyane Wade SG 1.075
Carlos Arroyo PG 0.819
Dorell Wright SG 0.817
Jermaine O'Neal C 0.805
Udonis Haslem PF 0.774
Michael Beasley PF 0.714
Daequan Cook SG 0.691
Quentin Richardson SG 0.675
Mario Chalmers PG 0.648
Joel Anthony C 0.624
Jamaal Magloire C 0.594
James Jones SF 0.525
Rafer Alston PG 0.482
MILWAUKEE BUCKS
Andrew Bogut C 1.112
John Salmons SF 0.937
Brandon Jennings PG 0.870
Ersan Ilyasova SF 0.828
Luke Ridnour PG 0.827
Carlos Delfino SG 0.809
Dan Gadzuric C 0.754
Luc Richard Mbah a Moute SF 0.721
Jerry Stackhouse SF 0.675
Kurt Thomas PF 0.608
Hakim Warrick PF 0.571
Michael Redd SG 0.551
Charlie Bell SG 0.518
Jodie Meeks SG 0.413
MINNESOTA TIMBERWOLVES
Kevin Love PF 0.934
Al Jefferson C 0.856
Oleksiy Pecherov C 0.748
Ramon Sessions PG 0.699
Darko Milicic C 0.674
Damien Wilkins SG 0.601
Ryan Gomes SF 0.589
Nathan Jawai PF 0.575
Jonny Flynn PG 0.568
Wayne Ellington SG 0.521
Corey Brewer SF 0.518
Ryan Hollins C 0.351
Sasha Pavlovic SG 0.314
NEW JERSEY NETS
Keyon Dooling PG 0.771
Brook Lopez C 0.770
Josh Boone C 0.718
Terrence Williams SG 0.698
Bobby Simmons SF 0.676
Devin Harris PG 0.665
Kris Humphries PF 0.646
Rafer Alston PG 0.589
Yi Jianlian PF 0.575
Chris Douglas-Roberts SG 0.541
Courtney Lee SG 0.528
Jarvis Hayes SF 0.438
Trenton Hassell SF 0.342
NEW ORLEANS HORNETS
Chris Paul PG 1.202
David West PF 0.781
Darren Collison PG 0.775
Emeka Okafor C 0.742
Marcus Thornton SG 0.693
Peja Stojakovic SF 0.615
Bobby Brown PG 0.611
James Posey SF 0.564
Darius Songaila PF 0.561
Julian Wright SF 0.545
Devin Brown SG 0.533
Morris Peterson SG 0.394
NEW YORK KNICKS
David Lee C 0.971
Nate Robinson PG 0.804
Larry Hughes SG 0.675
Danilo Gallinari SF 0.664
Wilson Chandler SF 0.664
Al Harrington PF 0.655
Chris Duhon PG 0.643
Jared Jeffries PF 0.627
Tracy McGrady SG 0.588
Toney Douglas PG 0.577
Sergio Rodriguez PG 0.574
Bill Walker SG 0.532
Eddie House SG 0.454
OKLAHOMA THUNDER
Kevin Durant SF 1.051
Russell Westbrook PG 0.897
Eric Maynor PG 0.856
Serge Ibaka PF 0.855
Nick Collison PF 0.812
James Harden SG 0.770
Jeff Green PF 0.659
Nenad Krstic C 0.642
Thabo Sefolosha SF 0.589
Etan Thomas C 0.538
ORLANDO MAGIC
Dwight Howard C 1.121
Jameer Nelson PG 0.959
Vince Carter SG 0.928
Ryan Anderson PF 0.840
Matt Barnes SF 0.775
Jason Williams PG 0.771
Rashard Lewis PF 0.721
Marcin Gortat PF 0.698
Anthony Johnson PG 0.658
J.J. Redick SG 0.658
Brandon Bass PF 0.648
Mickael Pietrus SG 0.631
PHILADELPHIA 76'ERS
Samuel Dalembert C 0.864
Andre Iguodala SG 0.858
Lou Williams SG 0.756
Elton Brand PF 0.726
Allen Iverson SG 0.722
Jrue Holiday PG 0.633
Marreese Speights PF 0.613
Thaddeus Young SF 0.607
Rodney Carney SF 0.601
Willie Green SG 0.598
Jason Smith PF 0.466
Jason Kapono SG 0.383
PHOENIX SUNS
Steve Nash PG 1.095
Amare Stoudemire PF 0.828
Goran Dragic PG 0.803
Channing Frye C 0.731
Louis Amundson PF 0.731
Jason Richardson SG 0.718
Robin Lopez C 0.684
Grant Hill SF 0.669
Jared Dudley SF 0.660
Leandro Barbosa SG 0.626
Earl Clark SF 0.474
PORTLAND TRAILBLAZERS
Greg Oden C 1.060
Marcus Camby C 0.967
Andre Miller PG 0.874
Brandon Roy SG 0.842
LaMarcus Aldridge PF 0.817
Joel Przybilla C 0.782
Rudy Fernandez SG 0.678
Steve Blake PG 0.667
Nicolas Batum SF 0.653
Martell Webster SG 0.583
Jerryd Bayless PG 0.556
Dante Cunningham SF 0.551
Juwan Howard PF 0.520
Jeff Pendergraph PF 0.432
SACRAMENTO KINGS
Sergio Rodriguez PG 0.908
Tyreke Evans PG 0.825
Beno Udrih PG 0.768
Francisco Garcia SG 0.724
Sean May PF 0.710
Carl Landry PF 0.689
Jason Thompson PF 0.686
Spencer Hawes C 0.680
Omri Casspi SF 0.609
Kevin Martin SG 0.591
Ime Udoka SG 0.574
Jon Brockman PF 0.554
Donte Greene SF 0.524
Kenny Thomas PF 0.523
Andres Nocioni SF 0.464
SAN ANTONIO SPURS
Tim Duncan PF 1.254
Manu Ginobili SG 1.023
Antonio McDyess PF 0.839
Tony Parker PG 0.837
DeJuan Blair PF 0.784
Matt Bonner PF 0.763
Richard Jefferson SF 0.721
George Hill PG 0.713
Roger Mason SG 0.619
Keith Bogans SG 0.462
Malik Hairston SG 0.433
Michael Finley SF 0.321
TORONTO RAPTORS
Chris Bosh PF 0.972
Jose Calderon PG 0.797
Amir Johnson SF 0.769
Reggie Evans PF 0.763
Jarrett Jack PG 0.698
Rasho Nesterovic C 0.637
Hedo Turkoglu SF 0.635
Andrea Bargnani C 0.591
Marco Belinelli SG 0.587
Sonny Weems SG 0.537
Antoine Wright SF 0.451
DeMar DeRozan SG 0.414
UTAH JAZZ
Deron Williams PG 1.076
Carlos Boozer PF 0.994
Andrei Kirilenko SF 0.976
Paul Millsap PF 0.866
Kyle Korver SG 0.824
Eric Maynor PG 0.819
Mehmet Okur C 0.800
Ronnie Price PG 0.784
Ronnie Brewer SG 0.712
Kyrylo Fesenko C 0.662
Wesley Matthews SG 0.592
C.J. Miles SF 0.549
WASHINGTON WIZARDS
Shaun Livingston PG 0.783
Andray Blatche C 0.770
Gilbert Arenas PG 0.760
Brendan Haywood C 0.744
Mike Miller SF 0.732
James Singleton SF 0.696
JaVale McGee C 0.694
Antawn Jamison PF 0.665
Randy Foye PG 0.634
Caron Butler SF 0.617
Earl Boykins PG 0.599
Al Thornton SF 0.569
Fabricio Oberto C 0.468
Nick Young SG 0.462
DeShawn Stevenson SG 0.287
AVERAGE RATINGS BY POSITION
Not all positions are created equal. These are the average ratings by position among all NBA players who play 300 minutes or more. There are very few small forwards and shooting guards who are superstars. Most (but definitely not all) superstars are players who can play point guard, power forward, or center.
Point Guard .750
Shooting Guard .640
Small Forward .640
Power Forward .720
Center .750
All Positions / All Players (NBA Overall Average) .700
PLAYOFF GRADE PLAYERS
Playoff Grade Players have ratings of .560 and higher. Players with ratings below .560 should not play in the playoffs unless the team is forced to play them so that they have two players at a position and/or so that the team has at least eight players playing in the playoffs and/or because the coach is absolutely certain the low rating player will play better in the playoffs than he did in the regular season.
REGULAR SEASON STARTING PLAYERS
All starters on all teams should have ratings of .575 and higher. If a team has no player at a position with at least a .575 rating, then it is extremely deficient at that position due to injuries or due to management incompetence.
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The site email address is the webmaster email address: nuggets1nuggets. This is a gmail address, so you add @gmail.com after the nuggets1nuggets. Use this email address to contact Nuggets 1 for any reason. If you are smart enough to know how basketball games are won, and you want to get promoted, nicely formatted space for you to publish your winning in basketball writing, by all means write to the above address. Alternatively, you can also comment or instantly publish your writing, by visiting and posting here.
QUEST REPORTS #41 TO #60, GOING BACK IN TIME
QUALIFICATIONS OF THE PRIMARY WRITER
The basketball expert and maniac who writes most of this site doesn't know how to stop until he has said and proved it all. So we are simply in a League of our own, and much of this unique content is for truly serious basketball people. The Quest for the Ring primary writer has two college degrees, one in Economics and one in Accounting. Both were with high honors and straight A grades. He played basketball in high school mostly because he was so tall at an early age but, unfortunately, he didn't have squat for athletic skills. Is that why he respects players more than other writers do? Probably so. In any event, he has been very closely following pro basketball for more than a dozen years. He has been extremely closely following the NBA in general and the Denver Nuggets in particular for over 4 years now. He has been learning the Detroit Pistons in great detail since the Iverson trade. He learns fast.
QUEST LOADING TIMES, RELOADING, AND BROWSER USAGE
LOADING OUR LOADED PAGE: The Nuggets 1 Main Page is chock loaded and needs time to load from sometimes sluggish or clunky Google servers. You may not be able to scroll properly while the page is loading. Links, including unfortunately the jump link to the latest content, may not work until the page is done or almost done loading. Please be patient and let it load. Your own computer system contains many variables that also determine how long it takes for Quest for the Ring to fully load. For example, how many programs and other sites are already up and running on your computer, and whether you have recently cleaned your temporary internet history and related caches will help determine how long it takes for the page to long.
Despite great variations, we will make estimates of how long the Quest home page will need to fully load. The following time are for those with reasonably healthy and not overburdened systems. With a fast broadband connection, generally a cable connection in the USA, the page will load in full in about 30-60 seconds. It will take 50-120 seconds to load with slower broadband connections, generally dsl in the USA. In Europe and Japan, my understanding is that dsl connections are frequently much faster than they are in the USA, so it would be less time for dsl in Europe and Japan. With a dial-up connection, the Quest home page might take 1-2.5 minutes to load, so just go on to something else and come back in about 2 minutes would be my advice if you are loading the page with a slow dial-up connection.
However you are assessing Quest, it is well worth the wait, so please try to be patient and let it load. Remember, most good things require at least a little bit of patience.
RELOADING WILL BE NECESSARY SOMETIMES
Every once in a while, parts of the page will not load. You will notice some things missing. If this happens, normally, if you click refresh and reload the page, you will get a complete loading and it will be a quicker loading than the original loading was. Having said that, you will find if you are a very heavy internet user that at any given time, if you have more than one browser available to you, that different browsers may load a loaded page such as this differently, with perhaps only one browser loading the page in full and other browsers failing to load one or more elements.
BROWSERS
All major users of the internet eventually realize that they must have at least 2 browsers, because browsers gradually become less reliable as time goes by, and because even if a browser is freshly downloaded, it may not properly load certain internet pages, whereas another browser will. If you notice open spaces on Quest (or any other website) even after reloading the page, you may need to try a different browser in order to more fully view that page. At this time, the Quest finds that any of the following browsers are able to fully, or at least almost fully, load Quest for the Ring pages: We recommend all of the following equally:
Internet Explorer
Mozilla Firefox
Safari
Despite great variations, we will make estimates of how long the Quest home page will need to fully load. The following time are for those with reasonably healthy and not overburdened systems. With a fast broadband connection, generally a cable connection in the USA, the page will load in full in about 30-60 seconds. It will take 50-120 seconds to load with slower broadband connections, generally dsl in the USA. In Europe and Japan, my understanding is that dsl connections are frequently much faster than they are in the USA, so it would be less time for dsl in Europe and Japan. With a dial-up connection, the Quest home page might take 1-2.5 minutes to load, so just go on to something else and come back in about 2 minutes would be my advice if you are loading the page with a slow dial-up connection.
However you are assessing Quest, it is well worth the wait, so please try to be patient and let it load. Remember, most good things require at least a little bit of patience.
RELOADING WILL BE NECESSARY SOMETIMES
Every once in a while, parts of the page will not load. You will notice some things missing. If this happens, normally, if you click refresh and reload the page, you will get a complete loading and it will be a quicker loading than the original loading was. Having said that, you will find if you are a very heavy internet user that at any given time, if you have more than one browser available to you, that different browsers may load a loaded page such as this differently, with perhaps only one browser loading the page in full and other browsers failing to load one or more elements.
BROWSERS
All major users of the internet eventually realize that they must have at least 2 browsers, because browsers gradually become less reliable as time goes by, and because even if a browser is freshly downloaded, it may not properly load certain internet pages, whereas another browser will. If you notice open spaces on Quest (or any other website) even after reloading the page, you may need to try a different browser in order to more fully view that page. At this time, the Quest finds that any of the following browsers are able to fully, or at least almost fully, load Quest for the Ring pages: We recommend all of the following equally:
Internet Explorer
Mozilla Firefox
Safari